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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 13, 2008 9:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: There is NO obvious category for them...

Great thread, PK and the rest.

I would say as I have many times before, the characterization of the boys is always myopic--far too narrow.

If you just grab the first album (some pop sounding songs, some jams, some blues, some country-esque blues), Live Dead (there's the evidence for the stereo type), Workingmans (WTF?), and Beauty, you can play for the critics an amazing variety of sounds.

Then, you come to realize that whatever kind of song they are playing, they bring all these perspectives to bear (R&R, Acid Rock, Blues, Country, Folk, etc, etc).

They just can't be categorized that narrowly; though I can appreciate that folks might not like them, it isn't generally for the reason they believe (ie, the stereo type).

This post was modified by William Tell on 2008-02-13 17:45:13

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Feb 13, 2008 9:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: There is NO obvious category for them...

Most of the folks I've come across who don't like them usually say the same thing: "Oh, God, does this song ever end?" They seem to be so hung up on the fact that the boys don't stick to the radio-friendly 4 minute song that they don't take the time to actually listen to what is being played, get bored and start complaining. These are usually the folks who also don't like classical music too much or classic jazz. Especially now in the generation of I want it now and I want it quickly, no one seems to have the patience to really slow down and take the time needed to feel the full effect of what the boys are creating. On the other side, I've had quite a few folks I knew who swore they wouldn't like the Dead, but happened to love classical or jazz, who after giving a good listen, have said at the least "Wow, this isn't too bad. who would have thought?" I'm not saying that EVERYONE should at least appreciate the Dead, but I think there are alot of people who would be surprised at what they'd hear if they just gave it some unbiased time.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 13, 2008 9:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: There is NO obvious category for them...

Yep--that was what I was implying (in a rather dense fashion). That's why I always suggest grabbing those four albums--what can ANY music lover do when you play the following selections from those:

GoldenRoad
BIODTL
StSt/11/LL
UJBand
DWolf
Box
FotDevil
Ripple

Throw in Swing Low and Cold Jordan off a live show and you have completed an amazingly diverse little set to impress one and all.

I have done this a number of times. Folks that like a variety of music styles always find something to like, and as you observed, generally respond with "I had no idea...!"

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Poster: mcgannahan Date: Feb 13, 2008 10:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: There is NO obvious category for them...

that's because those idiots want something they can get shitfaced and karaoke to. i love the jamming as much as i do a tight first set song. the dead does have something for everyone though. country, jazz, blues, rock, folk, gospel, acoustic, electronic, pop, etc.

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Poster: fireeagle Date: Feb 13, 2008 10:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: They ARE a category

the idiots should be ignored - let them listen to what they like

i turned a lot of freaks in my time and space zone to dead, by hittin em directly in the head. wanna hear something great? than listen > dark star, too, terrapin or whatever i thought was best at the time. fuck the compromises

THE GRATEFUL DEAD ARE A CATEGORY OF THEIR OWN

or as uncle bobo once said.....

This post was modified by fireeagle on 2008-02-13 18:58:48

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Poster: mcgannahan Date: Feb 13, 2008 10:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: There is NO obvious category for them...

i have become obsessed, though. i admit it. acquiring lossless dead shows has consumed my time and energy. i'm at work, and i'm thinking about what shows need to be burned to dvd, or what should be listened to next. there really isn't enough time to listen to, absorb, like, dig every show out there like it should be. i feel like dick latvala must have felt when he gained access to the gd vault. where do i begin? oh, boy, this is gonna be great! keeps me outta trouble, anyhow.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Feb 13, 2008 11:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: There is NO obvious category for them...

A Dead pin? A Dead pin on your uniform? Drop and give me 20.

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Feb 13, 2008 4:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: They ARE a category

http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=63922

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 13, 2008 7:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: They ARE a category

Good memory, MS; was sure we have covered it a few times since 06, but can never find the threads...

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Poster: blacklakelight Date: Feb 14, 2008 8:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: They ARE a category

I know plenty of people who don't like the Dead. They don't have bad taste in music, and they're not idiots. They just-don't-get it. From a traditional, musical perspective, I understand completely. Also, these people are smart enough to understand that there's something there, something valid and real, that I do get, that I love, and they're fine with it. They don't write it off to being on "chemicals" or whatever (a bummer right near the beginning of my show going days put me off L for a few years. Only show I did it at was my last, Atlanta, '94. All the others, nothing stronger than ganj, beer, maybe a mild pshroom head; at a couple,I was on nothing at all).

I find it's good policy to respect folks' experiences, to a point. I mean, if you're into Matchbox 20 or Rascal Flatts, then no, I don't get it. We may be able to hang, just keep music out of it. But a group like Phish, I mean, I don't get it, don't like it at all (I'm not into any "jam bands," really), but you know, I can see how some people do.

The Dead, I think you have to put something into it to get something out of it. You have to listen with your mind on, especially at first. It took me a while to really get it. The second record I bought was "For the Faithful" on cassette. Around the beginning of eleventh grade. I'll never forget how crestfallen I was, driving home from the record store, eleven dollars poorer, hearing "The Race is On" and thinking, "oh, fuck, they've gone country."

Which Grateful Dead do you mean, that's a very good point. Few bands have been so protean for so many years. I slipped the first record on one night, for my ex and her tres fab, new-mod, scenester friends. They were digging it--I knew they would--and it was a fine moment when the immemorial question, "who is this?" came, and I told them.



This post was modified by blacklakelight on 2008-02-14 16:27:41

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Poster: fireeagle Date: Feb 15, 2008 12:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: They ARE a category

u twisted my words

bad carma

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Poster: blacklakelight Date: Feb 15, 2008 1:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: They ARE a category

Oh shit, man, you know I realized later that might be mistaken as a direct reference to your post. It wasn't meant to be, and I should have edited it. Your word "idiots" did jump out at me at first, but I got what you meant. Guess it had stuck in my head while typing mine.

Sorry for the confusion, everybody, I wasn't coming down on fireeagle.

Sorry, fireeagle.

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Poster: Solo Head Date: Feb 14, 2008 10:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: They ARE a category

BlackLakeLight, you got it! Most people never tuned in, their name and skeleton motiff was the gatekeeper... if you were brave or adventurous to see past it, you found the music juxtposed the image. From 9 to 90...the same old question...who is that?...the what?

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 13, 2008 11:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: They ARE a category

Right; well said.